Štetnost psilocibinskih gljiva
Re: Štetnost gljiva
Pokaži mi dokument u kojem to piše.
Ili je taj koji ga je pisao idiot, ili si ti malo pomiješao neke informacije.
Kao što sam napisao u drugoj temi, neke Inocybe imaju vrlo male koncentracije psilocybina i sumnja se da bi mogle biti toksične, uglavnom za jetru. Btw, to nisu 'strainovi', strainovi nemaju nikakve veze sa time, to su potpun o drugo vrste, čak drugi rod.
Nadalje, proljev i mučnina nemaju apsolutno veze sa simptomima trovanja. Proljev, mučnina i 'plinovi' su sasvim normalni sajdefekt konzumacije suhih psilocybinskih gljiva. Stanične membrane gljiva su napravljene od hitina, koji je neprobavljiv ljudskom želudcu, i kod nekih ljudi sa osjetljivijom probavom mogu se javiti ti simptomi. Ali oni su jako kratkotrajni i ne ostavljaju nikakve trajne posljedice.
Da bi se smanjila mučnina i ostali probavni problemi, najbolje je suhe gljive samljeti u prah, ili još bolje napraviti čaj od njih.
Ili je taj koji ga je pisao idiot, ili si ti malo pomiješao neke informacije.
Kao što sam napisao u drugoj temi, neke Inocybe imaju vrlo male koncentracije psilocybina i sumnja se da bi mogle biti toksične, uglavnom za jetru. Btw, to nisu 'strainovi', strainovi nemaju nikakve veze sa time, to su potpun o drugo vrste, čak drugi rod.
Nadalje, proljev i mučnina nemaju apsolutno veze sa simptomima trovanja. Proljev, mučnina i 'plinovi' su sasvim normalni sajdefekt konzumacije suhih psilocybinskih gljiva. Stanične membrane gljiva su napravljene od hitina, koji je neprobavljiv ljudskom želudcu, i kod nekih ljudi sa osjetljivijom probavom mogu se javiti ti simptomi. Ali oni su jako kratkotrajni i ne ostavljaju nikakve trajne posljedice.
Da bi se smanjila mučnina i ostali probavni problemi, najbolje je suhe gljive samljeti u prah, ili još bolje napraviti čaj od njih.
“Side? I am on nobody's side, because nobody is on my side, little orc.”
Re: Štetnost gljiva
kako caj, ja sam cuo da se psinacilin na 50+ stepeni unistava ??
ajd proveri to za dal steti bubrezima, nebi dodatno da ih opterecujem nesto nisu u redu i ovako
ajd proveri to za dal steti bubrezima, nebi dodatno da ih opterecujem nesto nisu u redu i ovako
Re: Štetnost gljiva
Što je psinacilin neznam, ali psilocin i psilocybin degrediraju na temperaturama iznad 200 stupnjeva.
Oba spoja su osjetljiva na oksidaciju, i temperature na kojima zrak više struji, iznad 50 stupnjeva, će u relativno kratkom vremenu učiniti ove spojeve neaktivnima.
U vodi se to nemože dogoditi i kuhanje do pola sata na 100 stupnjeva neće imati nikakvog negativnog učinka.
Niti jedna studija nije pokazala nikakav štetni učinak na niti jedan organ,i ove gljive ne sadrže niti jedan od myco toxina koji napadaju bubrege, jetru ili živčani sustav.
Oba spoja su osjetljiva na oksidaciju, i temperature na kojima zrak više struji, iznad 50 stupnjeva, će u relativno kratkom vremenu učiniti ove spojeve neaktivnima.
U vodi se to nemože dogoditi i kuhanje do pola sata na 100 stupnjeva neće imati nikakvog negativnog učinka.
Niti jedna studija nije pokazala nikakav štetni učinak na niti jedan organ,i ove gljive ne sadrže niti jedan od myco toxina koji napadaju bubrege, jetru ili živčani sustav.
“Side? I am on nobody's side, because nobody is on my side, little orc.”
Re: Štetnost gljiva
"Psilocibin i psilocin su veoma ne-toksični. Uobičajena je dezinformacija da ove substance čine štetu na mozgu. Prema listi toksičnih substanci Centra za kontrolu bolesti SAD-a (Center for Disease Control) psilocibin je manje toksičan od aspirina."
Toliko o tome, verujem da je informacija tacna
Naisao sam takodje i na ovaj tekstic:
"Prije prohibicije, psilocibin se uz druge psihodelike proučavao kao potencijalan lijek protiv alkoholizma i ovisnosti o narkoticima. MAPS (Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies) je 2001. godine u SAD-u dobio dopuštenje za istraživanje djelotvornosti psilocibina kao lijeka za opsesivno-kompulzivni poremećaj, te je 2006. godine istraživanje došlo do zaključka da psilocibin otklanja simptome opsesivno-kompulzivnog poremećaja u trajanju od nekoliko dana nakon administracije" Hvala gljivama!!!!!!!!!
Ljudi, jedina stetnost jeste sto kad se vratite sa tripa i shvatite da ste pogledali u svoju sustinu u sustinu sveta i kako ga poimate, morate da se vratite u svet u kome 99% ljudi je i dalje slepo kraj ociju.
Realne stetnosti nema. Citao sam brdo tekstova i reportova i jedini slucajevi kada je neko bio u problemu zbog gljiva je kada je, lupam, izleteo pod kola ili pao s prozora
Toliko o tome, verujem da je informacija tacna
Naisao sam takodje i na ovaj tekstic:
"Prije prohibicije, psilocibin se uz druge psihodelike proučavao kao potencijalan lijek protiv alkoholizma i ovisnosti o narkoticima. MAPS (Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies) je 2001. godine u SAD-u dobio dopuštenje za istraživanje djelotvornosti psilocibina kao lijeka za opsesivno-kompulzivni poremećaj, te je 2006. godine istraživanje došlo do zaključka da psilocibin otklanja simptome opsesivno-kompulzivnog poremećaja u trajanju od nekoliko dana nakon administracije" Hvala gljivama!!!!!!!!!
Ljudi, jedina stetnost jeste sto kad se vratite sa tripa i shvatite da ste pogledali u svoju sustinu u sustinu sveta i kako ga poimate, morate da se vratite u svet u kome 99% ljudi je i dalje slepo kraj ociju.
Realne stetnosti nema. Citao sam brdo tekstova i reportova i jedini slucajevi kada je neko bio u problemu zbog gljiva je kada je, lupam, izleteo pod kola ili pao s prozora
Re: Štetnost gljiva
ljepo si to napisao morfiju...
i ljepo je to cuti, procitati, dodje mi odmah sad volja da ih pojedem......
ima nesto carobno u njima i to je to
i ljepo je to cuti, procitati, dodje mi odmah sad volja da ih pojedem......
ima nesto carobno u njima i to je to
....it didn't make any sense.....
Re: Štetnost psilocibinskih gljiva
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Re: Štetnost psilocibinskih gljiva
Evo bolji link za isti članak:
http://www.collective-evolution.com/201 ... mprove-it/
http://www.collective-evolution.com/201 ... mprove-it/
Re: Štetnost psilocibinskih gljiva
Evo šta sam ja našao da kaže Štrassmann u knjizi "Inner paths to outer space" o pečurkama:
SIDE EFFECTS AND ABUSE POTENTIAL
Psilocybin and psilocin have low toxicity. The traditional measure of toxicity of a drug is a
therapeutic index: a ratio of the dose that is effective (effective dose, ED) in 50 percent of
subjects (ED50) to the lethal dose (LD) that kills 50 percent of subjects (LD50). According to the
Registry of Toxic Effects, the therapeutic index for psilocybin is 641 (higher numbers indicate a
better safety profile). Therefore, it is relatively nontoxic in comparison to other substances. For
example, the therapeutic index for aspirin is 199; for nicotine, it is 21.
The greatest danger in using hallucinogenic mushrooms is an accidental ingestion of other wild
mushroom species that look similar to psilocybin-containing ones but are poisonous. Many
wild mushrooms contain toxins that can lead to liver or kidney failure and death. In addition,
the hallucinatory effects of magic mushrooms can put people at risk of accidents. Users may
indulge in dangerous behaviors such as walking out in traffic or along railway lines and driving
or operating heavy machinery while under psilocybin influence.
The physiological and psychological effects of mushrooms are influenced by both the dose and
the individual’s sensitivity. Physiological side effects are more likely to occur with higher doses
and are usually self-limited, resolving within a few hours after ingestion. Effects most
commonly reported are dilation of pupils, loss of coordination, dizziness, muscular relaxation,
coldness of the limbs and abdomen, flushing of the skin, and a slight increase in body
temperature. Various blood hormones and liver enzymes can also be elevated temporarily.
Some less common side effects are nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, gas, stomachaches and cramps,
shortness of breath, rapid heart rate, increased blood pressure, and headache. The medical
literature reports one case of irregular heart rate (Wolff-Parkinson-White syndrome) and heart
attack following ingestion of Psilocybe semilanceata, though these serious side effects
occurred in a man with a genetic defect in the electrical wiring of his heart and likely were
related to the high concentration of phenylethylamine in this particular sample of
mushrooms.5,6,7,8
Magic mushrooms and other psychedelics are powerful mental amplifiers and may trigger
latent psychological and mental problems, particularly in individuals suffering from severe
depression or anxiety or with a family history of schizophrenia or any other significant mental
illness, specifically psychoses of the paranoid type.
Little is known about the long-term effects of magic mushroom use, though Mexican shamans
have been using them for centuries. Psychological reactions to magic mushrooms are
frequently affected by set and setting. Set refers to the subject’s preexisting mind-set and
setting refers to the surrounding environment in which the user experiences a psychedelic’s
effects. Recent negative experiences can induce serious distress and trauma following
exposure to psychedelic substances.
Psychological side effects may include anxiety; unwanted, difficult, or frightening thoughts and
visions; anguished introspection; and temporary changes in an individual’s perception of life
and reality. Panic and anxiety attacks can occur, but these usually disappear within twelve
hours with support and reassurance. Some depression may occur in the days following the
mushroom trip. Occasionally, frightening mental states produced by magic mushrooms can
induce flashbacks days or even months afterward and may cause significant psychosocial
distress. These flashbacks are similar to those experienced by people with posttraumatic stress
disorder.9,10,11
Mixing mushrooms with intoxicants such as alcohol, marijuana, and street or prescription
drugs, particularly MAO inhibitors (MAOIs), may significantly increase the potential for these
and other adverse reactions. Combining MAOIs with serotonin-enhancing or psychostimulant
drugs is unsafe, because a condition called serotonin syndrome may result or a hypertensive
crisis may develop due to elevated levels of pressor monoamines in the body.
Magic mushrooms do not appear to produce physical dependence, though they do produce a
short period of increased tolerance that lasts for one to two weeks after use. A literature
review comparing twenty commonly used psychoactive substances found that oral psilocybin
appeared to have the lowest risk of dependence and acute lethality, and intravenous heroin
appeared to have the greatest.12
Što se tiče štetnosti, štetni mogu biti ljudi sami za sebe ako se ponašaju kao debili.
SIDE EFFECTS AND ABUSE POTENTIAL
Psilocybin and psilocin have low toxicity. The traditional measure of toxicity of a drug is a
therapeutic index: a ratio of the dose that is effective (effective dose, ED) in 50 percent of
subjects (ED50) to the lethal dose (LD) that kills 50 percent of subjects (LD50). According to the
Registry of Toxic Effects, the therapeutic index for psilocybin is 641 (higher numbers indicate a
better safety profile). Therefore, it is relatively nontoxic in comparison to other substances. For
example, the therapeutic index for aspirin is 199; for nicotine, it is 21.
The greatest danger in using hallucinogenic mushrooms is an accidental ingestion of other wild
mushroom species that look similar to psilocybin-containing ones but are poisonous. Many
wild mushrooms contain toxins that can lead to liver or kidney failure and death. In addition,
the hallucinatory effects of magic mushrooms can put people at risk of accidents. Users may
indulge in dangerous behaviors such as walking out in traffic or along railway lines and driving
or operating heavy machinery while under psilocybin influence.
The physiological and psychological effects of mushrooms are influenced by both the dose and
the individual’s sensitivity. Physiological side effects are more likely to occur with higher doses
and are usually self-limited, resolving within a few hours after ingestion. Effects most
commonly reported are dilation of pupils, loss of coordination, dizziness, muscular relaxation,
coldness of the limbs and abdomen, flushing of the skin, and a slight increase in body
temperature. Various blood hormones and liver enzymes can also be elevated temporarily.
Some less common side effects are nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, gas, stomachaches and cramps,
shortness of breath, rapid heart rate, increased blood pressure, and headache. The medical
literature reports one case of irregular heart rate (Wolff-Parkinson-White syndrome) and heart
attack following ingestion of Psilocybe semilanceata, though these serious side effects
occurred in a man with a genetic defect in the electrical wiring of his heart and likely were
related to the high concentration of phenylethylamine in this particular sample of
mushrooms.5,6,7,8
Magic mushrooms and other psychedelics are powerful mental amplifiers and may trigger
latent psychological and mental problems, particularly in individuals suffering from severe
depression or anxiety or with a family history of schizophrenia or any other significant mental
illness, specifically psychoses of the paranoid type.
Little is known about the long-term effects of magic mushroom use, though Mexican shamans
have been using them for centuries. Psychological reactions to magic mushrooms are
frequently affected by set and setting. Set refers to the subject’s preexisting mind-set and
setting refers to the surrounding environment in which the user experiences a psychedelic’s
effects. Recent negative experiences can induce serious distress and trauma following
exposure to psychedelic substances.
Psychological side effects may include anxiety; unwanted, difficult, or frightening thoughts and
visions; anguished introspection; and temporary changes in an individual’s perception of life
and reality. Panic and anxiety attacks can occur, but these usually disappear within twelve
hours with support and reassurance. Some depression may occur in the days following the
mushroom trip. Occasionally, frightening mental states produced by magic mushrooms can
induce flashbacks days or even months afterward and may cause significant psychosocial
distress. These flashbacks are similar to those experienced by people with posttraumatic stress
disorder.9,10,11
Mixing mushrooms with intoxicants such as alcohol, marijuana, and street or prescription
drugs, particularly MAO inhibitors (MAOIs), may significantly increase the potential for these
and other adverse reactions. Combining MAOIs with serotonin-enhancing or psychostimulant
drugs is unsafe, because a condition called serotonin syndrome may result or a hypertensive
crisis may develop due to elevated levels of pressor monoamines in the body.
Magic mushrooms do not appear to produce physical dependence, though they do produce a
short period of increased tolerance that lasts for one to two weeks after use. A literature
review comparing twenty commonly used psychoactive substances found that oral psilocybin
appeared to have the lowest risk of dependence and acute lethality, and intravenous heroin
appeared to have the greatest.12
Što se tiče štetnosti, štetni mogu biti ljudi sami za sebe ako se ponašaju kao debili.
Re: Štetnost psilocibinskih gljiva
jedina stetnost koju mogu reci za gljive nema ih ali uvjek postoji jedan ali u zadnjih 40 godina desilo se pet smrtnih slucajeva u nizozemskoj "zbog magicnih gljiva" naime ljudis su napravili suicid ali od tih pet osoba svih pet su bili turisti a zbog zadnjeg slucaja gdje je cura od 20 godina se bacila sa zgrade na ulicu ali kasnije se saznalo da je imala psihickih problema, 90godina se pricalo kako lsd ubija sivu koru na mozgu ali kad pogledam onaj psy party 2013 u indiji i vidim hoffmana kako normalno se ponasa dok je davao intervju i pogledavsi sebe koji sam ih pojeo vagan kak frend kaze nista mi nije jednostavno ljudi si preglupši mjesaju gljive sa ogromnim kolicinama alkohola zabiju se ko debili i onda nije bas esko da ako su psihicki labini da si naprave neku glubost popu skoce sa balkona zato sto ih decko vara ili barem taqko misle, meni se cini da mcdonalds hrana je puno stetnija od cube gljiva
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Re: Štetnost psilocibinskih gljiva
Pročitao sam temu pa me zanima jedno.
Naime frend je dva dana za redom [Subota i Nedjelja] uzeo po 2g gljiva. Razmak je 24 sata +/- koji sat.
Kaže da je drugi dan nakon nekih sat vremena osjetio bolove u jetri te ga evo danas [Utorak] osjeća povremeno jako blage bolove. U nedjelju kaže da nije to bila velika bol. Ali se zapitao. Naime ova 3 burna dana je u igri i bio alkohol. Malkoc veće količine =\
Da li netko može štogod reći korisno !?
Točnije da li treba nešto da se brine ili se zna dogoditi pa prođe !?
Naime frend je dva dana za redom [Subota i Nedjelja] uzeo po 2g gljiva. Razmak je 24 sata +/- koji sat.
Kaže da je drugi dan nakon nekih sat vremena osjetio bolove u jetri te ga evo danas [Utorak] osjeća povremeno jako blage bolove. U nedjelju kaže da nije to bila velika bol. Ali se zapitao. Naime ova 3 burna dana je u igri i bio alkohol. Malkoc veće količine =\
Da li netko može štogod reći korisno !?
Točnije da li treba nešto da se brine ili se zna dogoditi pa prođe !?
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